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I like the analogies ...
... kinda what i'm thinking too.
In my own personal experience i've always found Jaguars to be cruisers .. not even true GT-cars 
... beautiful, distinctive (especially pre 2000 models) and fast enough (in a straight line).
... beautiful, distinctive (especially pre 2000 models) and fast enough (in a straight line).I have driven and experienced Jags XJ from the 80ies and 90ies that were really dreadful for a young boy racer i was at the time but when my uncle took the steering wheel and wafted away gently down the road i really appreciated the comfort and luxury.
The XJR from the early 2000's and the later aluminium bodied XJR were pretty fast and the latter really had decent handling, almost GT-handling .. almost.
When the F-type convertible came out i had a go in it ... a great car with good handling and performance (380 hp) but for the money ... yaah ... there are indeed a lot of Porsches around i guess ... bear in mind i even find the GT3-RS comfy enough to travel to the South of France from where i live .
.As you know i bought my wife a ten year old X-type (it's now 13 years old) with an automatic gearbox and a 2.5 V6 pumping out 196 hp (but you really have to pump VEEEEEEERY hard to get those out i guess).
I haven't driven one single Jaguar ... i haven't read one single review on a Jaguar ... where it came out as the best car compared to the opposition .... in terms of performance ...
... BUT ....
I love Jaguars (yes, even the X-type) .. they all give you this special feeling and comfort because you know you didn't buy the sportiest car (far from it i should say) but you bought something special.
And i think your comparison to restaurants with or without the Michelin-stars is really spot-on ... sometimes you pay more for the ambiance ... to say it with the words of my wife (directed to me): " for you the food doesn't really matter, you're a sucker for ambiance" ... .
The modern Jags ... XF, XJ and a bit the F-type and new XE will have a hard time to live up to the Jaguar-legend. I think they should try less hard to be competitive in terms of performance ... just my opinion.
Aaah, now were did i leave that Dom Perignon bottle filled with cheap sparkling wine ??? I'll take a nip while holding that bottle in my hand ...
Bim
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It's true the XKR-S is tail happy, with 550hp on the rear.
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The problem isn't tail happiness, it's lack of stability...
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You have to keep in mind that a Jaguar, even R is a GT, not a sports car.
It cannot behave like a Sportscar. You can drive fast for long trips, but you'd better avoid small and curved mountain roads. For that, you have the BMW M3... ;) Best, Amigo. Nicolas
But Mon Ami...
But Nico, the BMW M3/M4 I was referring to is also a GT car... Think about it this way. The BMW M3/M4 has two doors, seats four comfortably, and has a big boot for luggage. It is a true GT car, it's just not sold nor marketed as one. Need more proof? The ...
Funny, I would not have classified the M3 as a GT.
It is more violent, less comfortable, in my book, than a Jaguar... A Jag with 300 HP is a maximum for me. Funny how we see things... Best, Nicolas
Let's say BMW 428i/435i?
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Agreed on the 428 / 435. But I see the M3 in a different league.
Put a compressor in a M3 and you have 600 HP! :) But I have enough fun with an original E 36. Best, Nicolas
M3
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700 HP?
Is the reason why the engine and transmission are blowing up is probably because the car's components simply can't cope with the power? Keep in mind, the E46 M3 came with 333-343 horsepower in most countries. 700 would be double that.
Bear in mind ..
.. he made some minor adjustments ;-) Valves, Pistons, conrods, crankshaft, clutch just to name a few ... then there's the air-intake, compressor, exhaust, motormanagement ... we're probably at 25% here :-) Basically i think all that's left original is th...
If he's a nutter...
Filip, my friend, you're already on the extreme side. If someone on the extreme side calls someone else a nutter, I have no idea how crazy this guy is. But 700+ hp in an E46 BMW M3 is probably a good indication! How can you drive something with 0 wheels? ...
In some extreme cases ...
.. one can choose the amount of wheels that will stay on the tarmac :-). With a bike in normal conditions you've got two wheels on the ground, most bikers can wheelie (not my cup of tea though) so they're riding on one wheel ... . Sometimes you go that fa...
Right...
After I saw what it meant to be driving with 3 wheels, I immediately knew what you meant with zero wheel driving. Another 20 seconds later, my suspicions were confirmed!
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The F Type is a nice car...
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Interesting opinions and metaphors. I'm not sure I agree with all, but I do agree about
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We offer our love...
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I like the analogies ...
... kinda what i'm thinking too. In my own personal experience i've always found Jaguars to be cruisers .. not even true GT-cars :-) ... beautiful, distinctive (especially pre 2000 models) and fast enough (in a straight line). I have driven and experience...
At least your Dom Perignon bottle has something in it!
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